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Grizzlybear, SunTzu - military guy stationed in Germany
« on: October 31, 2005, 10:50:17 PM »
Nathan Ernest Burl Thomas Jr
aka Nathan E. B. Thomas Jr
Born: Dec-03-52
Nicknames: T, Grizzlybear, SunTzu (and God knows what else)

is just another con man/predator, out there on the Internet.
(NOTE: Thomas tends to prey on foreign, NON-AMERICAN women who seem to have no recourse when he makes up some fantastic story and dumps them Comments from a friend)

One of his victims speaks:

I am divorced. After my divorce from an abusive man I was devasted but I was free. I work for the Justice Dept. in my country and I was busy enough in my job allowing me to have a normal life, I was not looking for another relationship.

Then, one day, I did the greatest mistake of my life (I know it now)! I was feeling lonely that I posted a profile on a PenPal site or a friend. I didn't want to date, I just wanted someone to talk to and that could understand me from a distance (Predators LOVE a challenge or complicated situations!). It was the summer of 2001 and I forgot about it because I got no responses. Then in January 2002, I had on e-mail box a message, saying something like "I am an American citizen, currently living and working in Germany and if you
want, you can write to me. I'm 49 years old and widowed."

I read this but I have to confess I didn't immediately reply. A week later, the same person wrote again saying "well the e-mails must be so many that you don't have the time to write" (I think now this was some kind of trap). (YEP!) I wrote him back saying that I was busy with work and that was the reason I couldn't reply before. To cut it short, we eventually started to write each other.

He told me he was a widower. He told me Felicia (his "wife's" name) died of cancer some years ago. He had three children (one daughter and two boys, all grown up). According to him, his daughter (Cindy) was in the military in Korea and the other two sons were in the US. He told me as well he had grandchildren. He presented himself as deeply suffering from being lonely and broken up about his wife's death. (TYPICAL SOB story to lure in a good & compassionate person)

I am a very big hearted and trusting person and I felt huge sympathy for this man. He told me he was in Sttutgart (Germany), in the military. In March 2002, he told me he wanted to meet me personally because (his words) I "seemed very nice and beautiful." He told me my "eyes in my photo were really beautiful. Your face could be on a magazine cover", he said. (RED FLAG!)

That April, he came to my country and we met. Like what he presented online, he was a real gentleman! Intelligent and caring at the same time with a vast general background. We were just friends and while he was here nothing happened between us other than talking and getting to know one another as friends.

Then, a second meeting came and this time was different: I got emotionally & romantically lured in by this man! Afterwards, we met a lot and he always treated me like a gentleman; very caring. He was spending a lot of time and money to be with me. He gave me several
presents. One of them was really expensive. It was a laptop computer.

This happened over a period of three years and in spite of some red flags here and there, I was blind enough to give him all my trust, heart, body and soul. Many times he told me: "I don't know how will my daughter react if she suspects I have found someone in my life. She is still very "stuck" to her mother's memory." (another typical Predator move - always leaving themselves an out while seeming above reproach!) His "late wife" was supposedly perfect. She "was from Puerto Rican and very beautiful." One day he sent me "her" photo, and, oh boy, she was really pretty! Very well dressed and charming. Once, he told me a story how she was crying when he had to leave her for so many months. I still remember his words saying she couldn't hold back the tears and how it broke his heart. "In some ways you remind me of her. You're so alike" - he said. (smack! totally fishing his victim in!)

During this time, there were things he told me that didn't make sense. One of them was about his job. He told me he was working for the CIA and military intelligence. (OMG!! These predators LOVE telling this to foreign people - they are so FULL OF IT. An American could check this out!) In November 2002, he told me he went to California to train people to prepare for the U.S. the invasion of Iraq. (It was a lie, later this victimefound out he was merely there on vacation). But I made excuses for him and thought perhaps, not being American, I didn't understand.

When the Iraq war started, he told me he was going to be there. I found it strange when during that time he was supposedly in Iraq he was always in touch with me, by e-mail and phone. I found it strange because in the middle of a war and doing lots of "undercover missions" it would be difficult for an active military person to be in touch. I was surprised but at the same time very happy because he presented it as me always being in his thoughts. He made me think that "he really loved me." Then, I remember my Godmother had a strange feeling one day and she asked me to call him. I did it and to my surprise when he calmly answered his cell phone yet when I told him it was me, he started to say "hello, hello, who's on the phone? I cannot hear you..." and he hung up" as if the telephone connection was bad. (LIE!!) His voice had a nervous tone! (yeah, he was BUSTED!) My Godmother looked at me and told me "I hope I am wrong"! (Victim's godmother had a gut feeling something was seriously amiss, as did the victim)

That night he wrote me saying "I couldn't talk to you on the phone because I was waiting for a call which was going to be monitored! I had to ask my men to cut it off." Lots of love words more and he apologized. (oh right.... this is classic. He probably spent a couple hours figuring out what to tell this poor victim.) I kept believing him. (He had manipulated your mind to WANT to believe & trust him. ALL CYBERPATHS DO THIS!!)

He was always sending me photos when we were not together. Photos from Heidelberg and lots of castles in Germany. Pictures of himself in Prague, Switzerland and Austria. He also sent me one photo taken outside by a lake in Chiemsee (Germany). He was dressed ceremonially with a medal of decoration. He told me it was the "Saint Barbara award". One of the things I didn't notice in that photo, is that on his left hand he was holding a lady's purse (it was necessary to use special software to see it later). (Other women taking those photos, huh? That's really BOLD and STUPID on his part)

We were together in Paris and I can say my "red flag alarm rang" went off big-time there. He usually had his cell phone off and from time to time he turned it on, to check messages. One of those times, he had a voice message. He was close to me and I could hear what seemed the sound of a woman's voice, very nervous and angry. He called this person back and I remember he said "I don't want to listen to that crap again" and suddenly he started to speak an unknown language to me, maybe a creoule or similar. I know English, French, Portuguese and Spanish and I can spot the other western languages by the sound and phonics. This one was unknown to me.

While he was on that call I said to myself 'I need to go home because this man is lying.' I started to think to myself: why did he rent a car to be with me in Paris if he has his own car? It sounded strange but after hanging up on his call, he turned to me and said he was having problems with his men working on the ground and he had to return one day sooner. I asked him if he was sure it was related to his work and obviously he answered "yes". (Oh lord what a lying piece of crap!!! either the wife or one of his other foreign women he lured online caught on to his bulldung.) His undercover missions with his men were, according to him, very stressful and dangerous, etc...

His stories got more & more outrageous : one of his men was killed and that he was feeling guilty for not being there. In the meantime, his daughter was supposedly sent to Iraq. Another time, one of his men was supposedly bitten by a sand viper in the desert, etc...(I could add a lot
more of his lies). (Like all internet psychopaths - the lies get more fantastic and bizarre as time goes on)

Then, in November (our last meeting) he told me it was going to be hard to reach him, as he was going to Afghanistan! He told me not to be worried, to live my life normally and keeping writing. As soon as he could, he would get in touch and then I could send him all the letters I had. (Oh puhleeze....)

When Christmas came (without news from him), I decided to call him. It was on Christmas Eve. His phone was on voice mail and I left a message. He never answered me back. I found very strange that the phone was on VOICEMAIL while he was supposedly in Afghanistan! It was working, so he could call me! I left another message on New Year. Nothing! (Of course by now, he had twisted this poor victim's normal intelligence and won her over so imagine what it took for her to question him)

In the middle of January we could finally talk and he told me: he was living with the tribes of the desert and talked about unveiled women in front of him and the ethic codes of those tribes! He had lost 10 kgs. and they wanted him circumcised and a lot more silly things! (this guy is still out walking around among normal people???) Finally, I didn't believe a word and from that moment I started to search for records and I payed for some background checks. I wanted to know everything I could about this man.

I found some answers:
- Thomas is married (he got married in Las Vegas/Nevada in 07- August-1995).
He married at the age of 42;

- His wife is alive and well and her name is Georgine;

- He stays all his available day and night on the internet (till 4am/ 5am in the morning).
I don't know how he can function if he barely sleeps!; (because he's a predator and he's looking for more foreign born, abused women who won't question him after he LOVE BOMBS them)

- I believe all the photos he sent me were taken by other girlfriends (Prague, castles, etc.). If he lived in Germany for so many years why does he need to be always on the touring Europe? One of them was taken by his wife for sure (the one at the lake in Chiemsee);

- Maybe (and I say maybe), he gets explicit photos from his online girlfriends and he may put them on some Internet site. I thank god because although he tried to get me to take explicit photos for him, I always said no and I believe this was time one of the reasons he was trying to get rid of me, the other was his marital status; (He's a perv and these internet predators always behave as if they are ABOVE REPROACH while asking you for things WAY outside your comfort zone.)

- He's a retired Seargent Major and at least during 2002/2004, he was the Chief of Housing for military and civilian personel on Government for the 6th ASG and dealing with private housing rentals in the South of Germany.

- I've confronted him but he denies everything. He feels no regret and he blames me for everything since I don't trust him. (BLAME SHIFTING OF THE PREDATOR)

He asked me not to harass him (they ALL accuse US of harassing them. Since when is demanding truth & some honest explanations harassment?).

One of the times I was confronting him online, he pretended he was his son, just not to answer! He doesn't admit the truth even when it right under our nose. At least he could have said "I'm sorry" but he didn't because his lack of feelings and regret. (Thomas is obviously a psychopath - no remorse, no conscience, read THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR post on this site)

To sum up: I was cheated, conned, betrayed by this predator (as is his wife)! He faked being a gentleman, helping old ladies, giving money to beggars, faking religiousness, morality and being ethical but its all an act. (and a LURE!)

I will never trust anyone else after this. My heart is closed now and I think I don't want to get to know anyone else. That's enough! I am a honest woman and frankly I didn't deserve this. (no you didn't - no victim did. But good for you for finally listening to your gut and doing a check on this man!)

This man lives in fantasy world. (most cyberpath/psychopaths do) He made up Felicia. Who is the model for this fantasy woman? Is she his children's real mother? The children are aged 32, 29 and 24? What is the truth and what is fiction??

He has a personality disorder and he is a pathological, compulsive liar. His wife needs help if she is still with him! How can anyone live with a man who fakes love, tells stories about being a spy, about his work and at the same time having lots and lots of online, foreign girlfriends?

That's his profile: He is always traveling for his "high level meetings" and I am pretty sure he tells his wife he travels for work! An impostor!

I feel so used! A million showers won't clean my body from this snake's touch! A widower? His wife is alive and well and he just got married in 1995!!!!! He is retired and not active military!

This psychopath is in his fifties. Where is the decency? (There is NONE)

It was three years of my life and now he is probably doing it to more women while I'm here trying to recover from the devastation of wasting three years of my life by doing nothing more than loving this man and the subsequent anger of being lied to.

crossed posted from http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com

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